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Sender: Jim Rough
Subject: Re: Is corrupt money in politics the ONE issue that can unite Americans?
Date: Thu, Mar 27, 2014
Msg: 100888
Thank you for responding, Don ...
Yes, I have a strategy in mind for how to facilitate our society to transform itself and overcome many of the huge, impossible-seeming problems that threaten our civilization. But this idea operates from a model of change that seems to challenge those attached to solution strategies based on other models … like education, changes to policy, election of new leaders, being independent of the grid, the development and promotion of new technologies, transformation of individual consciousness, “be the change you wish to see,” etc.
For the purpose of establishing a civilization that is good for our grandchildren, I think we need whole-system transformation. I think we must transform our system of thinking, talking and collective choice. Instrumental in this is for all of us to come together as a wise and powerful "We the People,” capable of reforming the systems by which we live. I think the Wisdom Council offers a way to facilitate this. Of course, it’s still mostly a theory and has not been fully tested. But the implementations that have been done declare at least, here’s a new way to involve citizens, shift the quality of public conversation beyond partisan wrangling, and reach new public decisions.
I’m familiar with Clare Graves. … This year a participant in one of my seminars gave me a book of his philosophy, “Clare Graves Explores Human Nature: The Never Ending Quest,” which I’ve only started. (It’s complex). After the seminar he said he thinks the Wisdom Council is a practical way to achieve the desired shift in consciousness that Graves maps, which you have helped to popularize. Thank you for that.
Jim
On Mar 25, 2014, at 7:30 AM, Dr. Don Beck wrote:
> Thanks, Jim. "change" is indeed a complex matter, and hardly the simplistic behavior or even worse the humanism concept. You might check the work of both Professor Clare W. Graves and Muzafer Sherif who have a quite diffenent perspective. > Sherif found differences based on levels of ego-involvement. > > Graves: You cannot change people, all you can do is relate what you are doing to their natural motivational flow. Three windows: > > Life Conditions which, when changed may release their capacities which have been hidden by circumstances and/or thier priorities Codes (biopsychosocial systems) impacted by genetics nd states of the organism, but thent > the beliefs and behaviors coming from different priority codes...even evangelicals will support envioomental causes to keep God's Earth clear for the second coming. Lots of wiggle room. > Change priority codes is the most difficult but we have tons of evidence from the South African experience over 54 trips to johannesburg, that demonstrate changebility beyond what we normally expect from the pre-modern, to the modern, to the post-modern and then to the Integral.. billions of people are passing through these sequences We have designed "Stratified Democracy" to show the different forms at different stages of human emergence. > > sorry I am in such a hurry but I have promises to keep before I sleep. > > Don > > t 10:12 PM 3/24/2014, you wrote: >> I like Michael Briand’s points, which I wrote in shortened form below >> >> On Mar 21, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Michael Briand wrote: >> > I am inclined to the view that transpartisanship in any meaningful sense is unlikely in the absence of a transformation in our most basic beliefs, the ones that are tied closely to our self-conceptions and our conceptions of the good and the right. If these never change, then no important transformation can occur.… I am deeply skeptical that any of these (i.e. The “processes, strategies, and techniques of dialogue ) has the potential to produce the kind of deep transformative change that is needed …. >> >> > For me, failure to provide a plausible account of how our structures of belief, attitude, disposition, and the like can be altered in the face of powerful impediments (affective, cognitive, social, cultural, generational, and so on ad infinitum) greatly diminishes the prospect that anything useful will come of even the most sincere and assiduous reciprocal efforts to reach out to others who do not share one’s own outlook. >> >> I agree. … I have in mind a different model of change and different form of thinking to be facilitated in people. … I believe that transformation happens when people face and creatively overcome a crisis. Then structures of belief, attitude, disposition and identity … all change. But with most forms of conversation— like dialogue, deliberation, negotiation, debate, etc. —we ask people to self-manage and to limit their expression of their feelings or advocacy. In the Wisdom Council randomly selected people face crises and unreservedly express their feelings. Because Dynamic Facilitation is used, their comments are incorporated positively and the group achieves win/win shifts and breakthroughs. Unity is a natural result. And so are transformational changes to the people. >> >> --------------------- >> >> Jim Rough >> >> Center for Wise Democracy. | 360-385-7118 | jim@WiseDemocracy.org| >> See www.WiseDemocracy.org >> >> ############################ >> >> To unsubscribe from the TRANSPARTISAN list: >> write to: mailto:TRANSPARTISAN-SIGNOFF-REQUEST@LISTS.THATAWAY.ORG >> or click the following link: >> http://lists.thataway.org/scripts/wa-THATAWAY.exe?SUBED1=TRANSPARTISAN&A=1 > > To unsubscribe from the TRANSPARTISAN list, click the following link: > http://lists.thataway.org/scripts/wa-THATAWAY.exe?SUBED1=TRANSPARTISAN&A=1 >
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