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Sender: Bruce Schuman
Subject: Re: Fwd: Action: Creating a coalition for a revenue neutral carbon tax for payroll o
Date: Tue, Aug 19, 2014
Msg: 101129

Sorry, but I don't get this conversation. As I understand it, this NCDD/Transpartisan discussion is explicitly not about particular issues -- and from my point of view, if we want to get into particular issues -- and very likely we should -- there are hundreds to look at. Carbon Tax is interesting to some people -- but what I personally am interested in is broken government -- and our collective inability to deal effectively with hundreds of issues, ALL of which are taking us down.

And there are already many online forums on "carbon tax" -- floods of them. We should be pulling those together...

So -- what we ought to be doing is -- designing some way to take on hundreds of issues -- pick the one you are interested in, solicit participation, build a network, push your angle, build a coalition, whatever --


I am saying this as somebody who has been digging into this for a long time, and have built a lot of network capacity to deal with "hundreds of issues at the same time". There's no reason not to be heading in this direction, and we are fully capable of it. But we gotta catch our breath and get our efforts in focus -- or we are going to be trivial leaves in the wind and strictly minor league. Had the TV on the last couple of days? There's an explosive (and exploding) world out there. Carbon tax is part of it -- but it's not the big issue...

Here's one model of a comprehensive interface:

"My Citizenship: A Control Panel and Dashboard for the New Civic Activism"


A "comprehensive issue network" is item 6 on this list:

Here's one list of issues -- this could grow in a lot of ways

Bruce Schuman




(805) 966-9515, PO Box 23346, Santa Barbara CA 93101

From: List for transpartisan leaders and innovators [mailto:TRANSPARTISAN@LISTS.THATAWAY.ORG] On Behalf Of millershed@EARTHLINK.NET Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2014 6:57 PM To: TRANSPARTISAN@LISTS.THATAWAY.ORG Subject: Re: [TRANSPARTISAN] Fwd: Action: Creating a coalition for a revenue neutral carbon tax for payroll or corporate tax swap

Hello all,

It seems to me that we do need to back up and slow down a bit, yet it also feels like we're tantalizingly close to something that could draw widespread support in a big way.

Close and not close. My hunch is that a substitute for the corporate tax is about as likely to draw concerted opposition from the left as a substitute for payroll taxes would be from the right. I somehow don't like the either/or here. It seems to me that we need a win/win/win.

To explain: To me, Michael Strong's general proposal to internalize externalities is a win/win in that self interest coincides with the general good (whereas mere exhortation is likely to be perceived as pitting the two against each other). A win/win/win would involve the coincidence of corporate self-interest with little guy self-interest with everybody's interest in having a healthy planet (and/or society--I agree with Rick that the two go hand in hand).

I don't think such a possibility is at all far-fetched, but we do need a good dialogue process to get there (which might involve addressing some or all of Michael Briand's questions). Face-to-face seems better than listserv back and forthing. Mark Gerzon and John Steiner, any thoughts? That said, I am most appreciative of this listserv dialogue!

John Miller

-----Original Message----- From: Michael Briand Sent: Aug 17, 2014 12:40 PM To: TRANSPARTISAN@LISTS.THATAWAY.ORG Subject: Re: [TRANSPARTISAN] Fwd: Action: Creating a coalition for a revenue neutral carbon tax for payroll or corporate tax swap


I'm sure the issue proposed by Michael S. would lead to a useful and productive discussion. But I don't wish to weigh in on the matter of what topics we ought to consider or what actions we might take. I want only to observe that it's very difficult to get anywhere in decision-oriented conversations like this without being explicit about our purpose and our criteria for evaluating and choosing among options.

Even if we don't need something as formal and detailed as a strategic plan, we still need to think, generally, as if that's what we're developing: a plan that addresses purpose, goals, objectives, resources and assets, obstacles and deficits, criteria for action, action options, deliberation, prioritization, decision, timeline, division of labor, evaluation, etc. I know this will strike some as unnecessary. I can only repeat what I've said before: go slow to go fast.

Despite (or because of) the rich discussion we've enjoyed to date, I'm becoming less sure of where we're headed. I would recommend backing up a bit and talking, even if only briefly, about purpose, goals, decision criteria, and action options--or even further, by taking the survey Bruce constructed. In the absence of clarity about these, and of course speaking only for myself, I worry about finding myself unable to make sense of it all.


Michael Briand

Chico, CA



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